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AHOY,


UPDATE 12/21/13, 11:42 HOURS

I am revealing who I am today i.e. posting my name, I am Keith Oeffinger, I was born in San Antonio Texas in 1963. See today's post 12/21/13 .


Update, 01/11/14 12:30 hours;

I would like to say, with only one reply, like three years ago, this blog seems too much like a mirror site to me. And it appears very few patriots are looking back at past posts.

The new “Fragmented Fighting Facts” series of posts that dedicates one post to each Basic rule has now been completed. This series starts with the post tilted “Post # 1, Planning, Preface” that posted on 05/12/13. This series is under the label “Tri-F in progress”. Posts well be updated as I edit or discover additional knowledge thus the series is the most current version of my "Fragmented Fighting Facts" manual. For an old but complete version i.e. all in one post copy. Patriots are welcomed to try viewing one of the “pages” listed in the “special word section” on the starboard side of the blog. I say try due to the fact I’m not sure if they are published i.e. viewable to the general public due to all the issues or HACKING with my blog. There is also a complete copy posted, that is titled, “Tri-F in progress” too, it was posted 11/13/10.

And feel free to fire away with a reply, (sarcasm on).


FLASH REPORT; the “TERRORIST ARE NOT AMONG US, AND NEVER WERE I.E. AL QAEDA IS A STAWL MAN, GHOST”.

The most important lesson that everyone should have taken away from the Boston Marathon bombings was that those young men proved that no al-queda members are in the u.s. Otherwise they too would just go get some presure cookers and had to a parade.

“I AM NOT A TERRORIST” this nation’s worst enemy is FEAR. This fear is being promoted mostly by the back woods, right wing, Christians of this nation. We need to separate church and state, period. And that is of course for the States sake.


I would like patriots to understand that I use the terms "official revealed fact" to mean what everyone is being told by officials, media etc. I use the term "kings truth" to mean what I know or believe to actually be the actual facts. I DO NOT MEAN IT IN A RELIGIOUS WAY. I.E. the term Kings is plural as in those running the show.


Preface for the Fragmented Fighting Facts

Note pink highlighted material is that, that IMO is questionable factually, it maybe an “official revealed fact” that I am questioning. The material may need to be defined i.e. explained more or it could be a personal note. Yellow is location undecided or unedited material i.e. unread that I have not decided on what to keep or not. Green means a change has been made i.e. an update. By noting the green updated highlights a Patriot well not have to read the Fragmented Fighting Facts in its entirety to stay current. Red is important, perhaps the "kings truth".

Newjarheaddean; this is my collection of combat notes. One might call it my anthology of combat tactics, techniques, methods and skills. The note taking began about fourty years ago (I was around 13 years old) with the observation of 10 rules listed with in a book covering the French and Indian i.e. Native American, wars, entitled “Roger’s Rangers”. That’s right the rules that started all this are “Army Ranger” rules, this book was located in the “Westfall” library in San Antonio Texas off of Vance Jackson. I get a kick out of the libraries name due to the general agreement that modern or state vs state warfare started with the singing of the peace treaties at Westphalia. I could not read at the time; however I knew that a list in a book on war would be important. I copied those rules down like a scribe might have written hieroglyphs and had my dad read them to me. . This discovery preceded numerous sources including approximately one hundred books and about a dozen field manuals, of which a few were of WWII era. These were found at libraries, half price bookstores and garage sales. Since going on line in 2007, I have found material on web sites such as “Defense and National Interest” (DNI), “Global security”, “Strategy page” , “Wikipedia” and “Bayonet strength” and “Efour4ever” in the combat lessons learned section. These last two sites cover WWII.

Previously referred to as K.O.O.L.N. (acronym definition, top secret), FLASH REPORTS; I NOW AM TELLING EVERYONE IT STANDS FOR KEITH OEFFINGER'S ORGANIZATION OF LEARNED KNOWLEDGE the joke on me here was I believed Knowledge was spelled with an (N). I was a special education student and did not learn to read until my last year of high school. I have now titled my work “Fragmented Fighting Facts” or “Tri-F”; the name derives from the computer grammar function always alerting me to the fragmented nature of my sentences. This is due to the “just the facts, ma’am” manor the material is written i.e. there has been little if any effort to write in whole sentences or provide context. This is not to say there is no order with Tri-F, in fact there is a theme. I have laid out the information as one might expect a commander or members of a unit to recall it thus utilizing it to conduct a mission.

We start with “Planning”, followed by the section on “Defense”, then there’s “Preparations and conduct of patrols” or “PCP”, and we end with “Conduct of Engagements” or “COE”, i.e. engagements being the term used here for shootouts. Each section of Tri-F consists of numbered “Basic rules”, each basic rule followed by detailed notes that either relate to, explain, or give examples pertaining to the basic rules. As with the general format of Tri-F, each section’s basic rules are laid out as one might need to recall them. This is most obvious in the last section COE starting with basic rule number one, “Flash report”, i.e. actions to take upon contact with the enemy. This sections last basic rule deals with handling POWs.

Keep in mind this is a work in progress; I’m constantly discovering new information to add which in turn still at times requires rearranging things. At the same time, interestingly enough to me, I have not needed to rearrange my original order of the basic rules for quite some time. There are however, two instances where the detailed information fallowing a pair of basic rules became so similar I decided to combine the pair into one basic rule. These two occurrences are noted in footnotes.

Now heed this, out of all the information contained within this work, only an estimated 1% was taught to me while I was serving in the U.S.M.C. Moreover, to put a fine point on it, it’s worth noting I served in Charlie Company, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, First Marine Division, i.e. an Infantry unit. Before my discharge (after only a two year cruse), I attended Jungle Warfare School in the northern training area of Okinawa (for two weeks), Mountain Warfare School in Korea (for one week) and Combat Town Camp Pendleton for MOUT training (for one day). I did not take part in any amphibious training nor did I ever go to Twenty Nine Palms for Desert Warfare training. We did ride around in AAVs once at Camp Pendleton. All in all I would say the only things I missed out on were a beach landing (at Coronado I believe) and a little sun burn, due to the fact that those twenty nine palms, I was told in the early eighties were all located at the front gate of that base. Needless to say, the training did not impress me, and I now know it was not going to get any better as some suggested to me at the time, and still others later claimed that I should have just stayed in longer.

With my position on the lack of training, I do wish to make it perfectly clear that I do support the service women and men in the U.S. armed forces. I also believe them to be as brave as any people on earth, (with the exception of the (Y) generation). My concern is in the way the Infantry especially is being mislead and used. I want people to understand my experience and IMO a lot of evidence suggests Uncle Sam intends to use his infantry in ways that does not include training any generation in the art of “traditional Guerilla combat tactics” i.e. as a “Traditional Commando” would be. I am not talking about “SWAT” team “Close quarter” tactics, like the “Stick dynamic entry”. That tactic should be called the “cluster f**k”. Just call that sort of tactic what it is NYPD (Cops T.V. show bad-boys, bad-boys) in Afghanistan.

The problem is that that tactic was developed by police departments to deal with an objective occupied by drugged up party animals, i.e. untrained civilians. The police never use it in a spur of the minute situation. They use it when the house/objective has been under constant surveillance for mouths in some cases and the police know all manner of information about everyone in the house and the structure and neighborhood in general. The cops choose a time when everyone is pasted out from partying the night before and have long lost any weapons (between the cushions or under the bed) they might have had on them as show pieces during the party. The primary reason for the large numbers of police in close proximity is to make sure the gang does not think the raid is a rival gang “brake in” and thus resist in any way. There is lots of yelling too, thus reinforcing the message that no one is trying to be covert, like one would be to get away with a crime.

This brings up an intriguing observation of mine; that being that by the book an assault should be made from the top down, yet the troops in Afghanistan and elsewhere use the Stick dynamic entry and usually enter from the front door, like a SWAT team. However resent high profile raids show the SWAT teams attacking from the top down. Examples you may recall are the raids on the Shinning path group in Peru in 2000 and the Mumbai raid by Indian forces on the Jewish center in 2008. IMO this proves the existence of what I’ll refer to as a “need to know” training policy, being followed by various governments, the purpose being to limit the number of true Commandos that could become tomorrow’s rebels, apposing corrupt governments. One last thing about the Stick, IMO every single time the regular forces unit conducting one of these foolish Stick dynamic entries comes under fire i.e. runs into resistance, the Stick brakes i.e. the whole unit evacuates and awaits some kind of support form tanks, guns, tubes or air. Bottom line IMO the Stick is used as a probing tactic and is meant to be a moral boosting show peace tactic to make the unit feel as if it has taken a hill, which was nothing more than another empty building, that IMO Intel suggested, was the case before the entry was ordered. Recalling the police policy of long periods of surveillance prior to raids.

It also seems to me that in light of the old saying “you can fight a war with bombs and blockades but only boots on the ground can win it” ( IMO, Uncle Sam has now revised that saying, as fallows) “you can win a war with bombs and blockades, but only the infantry can end the war”, farther more IMO Uncle Sam has gone one more step and decided to use private security companies and local i.e. indigenous people for the infantry role. All this fear of true commandos is all very similar to the “Mujahideen” not being allowed by various governments, to return to their homelands i.e. native nations, after fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.

And as for the U.S. and other Western nations, training foreigners to fight a counter insurgency goes. IMO this training includes nothing more than police procedures i.e. conducting investigations, forensics, searching individuals and buildings to collect evidence and yes serving warrants, if necessary, with those all mighty “stick” tactics. And of course, lots of “new innovative techniques and tactics” involving CAS and IMO (Old) so called high tech equipment the U.S. Military Industrial Congressional Complex wants to clear out of the warehouses.

All in all IMO Uncle Sam has chosen to put just about all his eggs in one advanced technology system, think Star Wars Storm Troopers or Matrix i.e. the Operator or Morpheus trying to guide Neo and others to safety. IMO it looks something like this; (x) unit go to (x) address, kick in front door, use stairs to your right, go south down hallway to (x) door, it is unlocked, interning room go to (x) window looking out window to the north you will see your target running east though the neighbors garden. All this information and the “live” feeds of target and area of operations would be provided by a fleet of satellites as well as Near space assets that are never mentioned by the media as current military assets and of course there’s the robots, UAVs and a flood of other covertly deployed sensors as well as covert eves dropping of any civilian electronic devices in the Area of operations.

Thus in light of these and similar so called “new innovative, techniques and tactics” (notice the media and governments choice of words “techniques and tactics” as if we’re talking Commando training i.e. why not use some modern high tech terms the system is so eager to introduce us all to normally as a matter of routine), IMO Uncle Sam has placed the traditional Guerrilla combat tactics, on the back burner and is hoping they all go the way of other black arts.

This is not just true of the infantry; let us take a peek at aerial combat. Does anyone out there actually think today’s U.S. pilots are turning and burning, pulling high (G) maneuvers trying to hit the entry windows and get inside the bandits turn. Think any pilot has conducted a yo-yo or split S maneuver lately or made the choice between a single or two-circle fight. Now days its all about stealth, ECM and Smart even autonomous weapons, missiles especially BVR tech. IMO this explains why the U.S. Navy is not concerned with not having a front line fighter equal to the USAF F-22 Raptor. An article I recently read on “Strategy page” mentioned a lot of talk about a Navy F/A-18E at an air show, displaying a little F-22 silhouette decal i.e. a simulated Kill credit symbol/icon. IMO the F/A- 18E did not gun down that kill.

And then everyone knows that just about all now and IMO soon all weapons systems including the bayonet well have a chip in it.

So if the electronics ever fail (maybe due to a shift in the axis of earths electromagnetic field, passed a certain point or perhaps a record size solar flare) IMO it well be the masters of the age-old Guerrilla combat tactics i.e. The Fragmented Fighting Facts Basic Rules that survive, keeping in mind “no one wins”.

I also wish, that those who join the various services where told all this up front i.e. “we do not intend to train you as a traditional Commando”.

Another thing I would like everyone to consider is that; what makes a Marine special is not the training she or he receives, no it’s the steel the youth demonstrates when they choose to join the Marines. Even when compared to the Special Forces, who IMO are only specialists in their particular field, once again mostly high tech specialties and whose ranks are filled with older personnel that have already been serving and have graduated from a boot camp i.e. are aware of the hoop and hype hurry up and wait tactics. And who are then usually chosen i.e. coached into changing their MOS. I am aware of the change in recruitment policy after 2001 allowing for direct entry into the S.F. community. IMO a rarity and IMO it is still not the same as just choosing to go to a Marine Corps Recruit Depot from the start.

Furthermore, to those who just well not accept the truth about the lack of training along the lines of traditional Guerrilla combat tactics. I can now say that I have exchanged comments with a number of Iraqi and Afghanistan combat vets. These comments can be found on the internet if you Google up my call sign, Newjarheaddean also spelled with one (D). IMO it is obvious that the tactics I speak of are news to the vets, some have made commits that proves in combat they were just winging it. And no, I don’t believe that all the vets are observing some kind of code of silence on these tactics including the vets who are against the wars. Unless everyone wants to say that YouTube and other internet companies are conspiring to edit all combat footage that shows these tactics being used and that, the vets are staging other videos that show them (albeit with great bravery) as armatures without a clue and winging it. If anyone ever sees video, showing the tactics listed in Tri-F being used, be sure and provide a link with your comment. I once saw a flash of film on CNN showing combat in Lebanon during the 1980s that showed some of these tactics being used by a Guerrilla fighter. I well also say I do believe that UAV footage is edited by the Pentagon to keep the public from seeing the few but well trained Taliban and other Guerrilla fighters that are using these tactics. Alternatively, maybe people think our professional highly trained well-equipped military is unable to defeat 10 – 20 thousand religious extremist amateur thugs in almost a decade of fighting. All the while killing at least by some estimates 100 a mouth including dozens of top commanders.

Let me also say, on the numbers of U.S. PTSD casualties, i.e. IMO, WIA, (And IMO deserving of a Purple Heart). The Government portrays these cases as a result of fighting a war that is “unlike any other war we have fought before” (LOL). Facing an enemy that is fighting in some mysterious and or cowardly manor that simply cannot be countered by military means. I believe the high numbers are a result of US forces fighting in a manner that is suicidal i.e. pointless and counterproductive to the real world situation. Example; you have a young brave American ready to fight for the nation, while on one of these IMO “Russian roulette parades” someone shoots at the unit from some building, everyone scrambles for cover, as some spray and pray, then after determining the location using SWATS (Soldier Worn Acoustic Targeting Systems) sniper detectors, or one of the many similar vehicle mounted systems the commander calls in some sort of CAS, if someone’s brains have been blow out especially if it was an officer or the location is vague, a real “crowd pleaser” maybe used i.e. 2000 pounder.

IMO this is how 90% of engagements (fought by regular infantry units) are resolved. Special Forces are now and in the feature more and more regular infantry well be using the Matrix. And to those that think this is the exception I say show me the number of WIA or KIA (On either side) by small arms fire i.e. during traditional firefights. Even if one includes sniper fire those figures are really low. So IMO after witnessing all the carnage and innocent civilian life being lost and receiving all those looks from the witnesses, it is the American that realizes it is his unit that is not fighting right.

This is reinforced and really sinks in back in the states when the vet is asked to tell the Commando stories that never occurred and thus the vet must tell the truth i.e. give up the Commando reputation, keep it all inside or start lying. If the first option is chosen that unveiling reality is demoralizing and makes it all not worth it. If either one of the other chooses are made IMO the vet becomes the ticking bomb. And I can tell you all that many times, I have recalled being told once that “when you go home keep your mouth shut about the things we did. If you don’t you well be thought of as a liar or crazy and either which way your life well be over”. That First Sergeant was right, but like my daddy use to say, “He’s right but he does not know why he’s right” i.e. IMO the First Sgt. thought of what we did in terms of remarkable heroic feats. However, IMO certainly since the beginning of the Vietnam era, it is the lack of training i.e. the manner in which our service women and men are fighting that keeps this tragedy going.

I would also suggest the vets of today are just like I was 25 or so years ago in the sense that they know there training is lacking, however, they just cannot explain what’s missing. However unlike me they refuse to accept that old fashion “black arts” are the answer i.e. should be the basis of basic training. And I now know the “Black art” tactics they and I should have been trained in and I can now say, “The PFC that told the Corp it was out of step, now has provided the proof”. What surprises me is that most vets it seems don’t care at all about the tactics I speak of and seem to view me as an unpatriotic “party pooper”, when I’m just a U.S. Marine trying to improve the Corps and save lives. Bottom line IMO the infantry needs to consist of unmarried i.e. undistracted, NO CHILDREN, dedicated true professionals, trained in the tactics listed in Tri-F and many more I am sure exist.

And to those that say “chivalry is for the museums” I say “first we must have peace on earth”.

One Newjarheaddean

“Let no Marines ghost say if my training had only done its job”

" Give me a million dollars and I well change the world"

" When it comes to persecution and suffering that fairly tale about christ dose not have (S) nothing on me"

" I well bet my lucky start"

“IKYG”

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Update; 12/19/14 09/53 hours




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Monday, October 31, 2011

Occupy ?

AHOY,

The article I read last night on S.F. gate, was the first one I’ve read about the occupy movement. I’ve only fallowed it on “Democracy now” and what little has been on T.V.

We did not get the Time issue on the subject, after six years of never missing an issue, what are the odds. The old man even put in a special order to be mailed to us, no occupy issue. Discussing this is what got me looking on the web.

ANYBooohWHO!

Really what are the demands, to change the systems i.e. financial and political systems?

LOL, wake up and admit it then, the demand is a coup an over throw of the government. To attempt to change this system by complaining in public is like saying Wall Street, healthcare or the government can be fixed by changing a few regulations or voting a different politician into office.

Like one person I heard a while back say about the financial system “you don’t fix this system by tinkering with it, you replace it.”

Money is dept! Check out the video by the same name, the system is doomed from the start. There is a link on the right side of my blog under “ other sites I find interesting”.

Let’s just use the “Little Satan” vs the “Big Satan” analogy in the middle east, if a true all out revolution did not bring true change in small time/third world, Egypt how much less well be accomplished here by shouting with your vocal cords only accomplish?

I think the occupiers are playing games here, complaining because they have not got all the paid preview channels they want.

And by standing in large groups you do I.D. yourself as a rebel.

Why not start planning on interfering with those crazy ass voters that are going to be doing their part to play musical chairs yet again, with the government come 2012.

Here in Miami the so called occupiers have camped out right in front of the police station, lol “what a field day for the heat”, I’ve heard so called occupiers claim “the police are on our side” “they even brought us pizza the other day”.  IMO the cops brought a small group at the table’s pizzas to make the masses say, look the organizers, if you well, are just like the 1%. I would have taken those pizzas and given them out to the homeless.

Another thing about the prisons I mentioned is that by changing that system best we can, you eliminate the fear of going to jail. Imo the reason for the special treatment of famous people is so they can’t make the case behind bars. Can you imagine some inmate looking up and seeing Professor Cornel West. And Mr. West says “brothers it’s on and your either with us or against us”.

And imo they would be with us, the inmates have already started with hunger strikes etc.

When is occupy Wall Street going to occupy Wall Street?

“I well bet my lucky star” IKYG

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occupy movements III

AHOY,

I rushed all this of course after getting fired up on S.F. gate article. It was not a pre-planned operation to post on "Halloween" or have my post cut off and then end my next few as in three messages out of character etc. etc. I 'm just way past my bed time.

But then again who gives a dam, right, i'm just some crazy guy on the web, happy "Halloween"...

" I well bet my lucky star" IKYG

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Occupy movements II

AHOY,

If one goes to S.F. gate you'll see how my post got cut off etc.

Any who, I also wanted to make the point that winter will bring with it the first Martyr, imo an unnamed so called bum, (a victim of the elements) which imo is exactly what U.S. gov dose not wont.

" I well bet my lucky star" IKYG



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Occupy movements

AHOY,

the fallowing is an article on S.F. gate and my comment.





Big challenges ahead for Occupy movement
Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, October 30, 2011
The Occupy Wall Street movement is nearing a very real deadline for figuring out how to evolve into a long-lasting, influential social movement: winter.

Subfreezing temperatures and snow will make it less attractive to camp in Manhattan's Zuccotti Park, and California's rainy season will likely shoo away the less-than-hard-cores from encampments in Oakland and San Francisco.

Occupy spawned a worldwide movement through a provocative act - physically occupying public space - that gave voice to a widespread belief: The middle-class American dream is slipping away because of broken political and economic systems that favor the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans.

Filmmaker Michael Moore told 1,000 protesters in Oakland on Friday that Occupy opponents are counting on their resolve to weaken when the rain and snow hit, "but weather is not going to stop us."

But analysts say sympathizers will need different ways to express that frustration to maintain the movement's momentum. While images of police firing tear gas at protesters last week in Oakland drew international attention, many Americans remain queasy about storm-the-barricades dissent.

"If all that happens is those groups continue to try to occupy public space to express outrage, this dissipates relatively quickly," said Doug McAdam, a professor of sociology at Stanford and an expert on social movements. "Lots of movements start out as more expressions of outrage or frustration, but that does not sustain a movement."

While Occupy has changed the national conversation, McAdam said "two months do not a movement make."

As Occupy approaches a fork in the movement-building road, experts and veterans compared it to other social movements as it confronts its challenges.

Diversify tactics

"People are not going to invest time and energy to come to demonstrations that don't appear to be linked to specific outcomes," McAdam said.

That is changing. The liberal online hub MoveOn.org is among the groups promoting "Bank Transfer Day" this Saturday, Nov. 5, when people are being encouraged to transfer their funds from major financial institutions.

"There's so much energy now, frustration at Wall Street, and people looking for ways to get involved over and above Occupy," said Justin Ruben, executive director of MoveOn.org, which is not affiliated with Occupy.

Members of Occupy Oakland have called for a student and citywide general strike on Wednesday.

"What do you do when winter comes? You go indoors. You occupy other stuff," said James Miller, a professor of politics at the New School for Social Research and the author of "Democracy Is in the Streets: From Port Huron to the Siege of Chicago."

"The (occupation) tactic is extremely resilient," Miller said. "But its resilience is dependent on the willingness of ever-increasing numbers of ordinary people putting their bodies on the line."

Engage other supporters

The Occupy protests are structured as a leaderless, highly democratized body, where decisions are made by consensus. While that is attractive to those repelled by politics, it makes it a challenge to collaborate with more traditional organizations, like labor unions.

"The problem they face," Miller said, "is that the original instigators see this as a complete and total sellout to the original goal of changing the world."

"Who ends up taking control of this Occupy idea?" Miller said. "Will it be the anarchists who created it, or will it be all these people who flocked to it? That's the drama."

Labor groups, some Democratic politicians and other liberal organizations are reaching out.

"It's rare for those groups to support more militant, more confrontational, oppositional activists," said Deborah Gould, an associate professor of sociology at UC Santa Cruz. "It suggests that what they're fighting for is mainstream."

Conservatives, in particular, have criticized the Occupy movement for having a hazy, scattered message. That's not unusual.

"Some movements are born with very specific goals," McAdam said. "But lots of them are as amorphous and broadly expressive as the Occupy protest."

The 1955 Montgomery, Ala., bus boycott was intended to be a one-day, localized action, McAdam said. But when many more people participated than even organizers expected, it carried forward, with specific goals in mind. It eventually lasted for 381 days.

"We typically look back at any of these movements as united top-down efforts," he said. "But the civil rights movement was a collection of local struggles."

Connect to suburbia

There have been Occupy protests in more than 1,000 cities. But for the movement to flourish, suburbia needs to embrace it on its own terms.

Those at the front of the modern women's movement in the 1960s, McAdam said, "were radical left feminists" who were "culturally anathema to middle-class suburban women."

But "they highlighted and made visible and salient a general concern about issues about gender discrimination. And lots of women could identify with that even if they weren't about to go out to some angry demonstration and throw bras in a trash can."

Manage the violence

Miller was a member of Students for a Democratic Society, which was at the forefront of youth-driven confrontational protest in the 1960s. After he demonstrated at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago, where students clashed violently with police, he watched TV coverage afterward and thought, "Wow, we won."

"Well, we didn't win. Because people watching TV see different things. A lot of conservatives sitting at home were appalled," Miller said. "It's why Republicans still keep referring back symbolically to the moment as a dangerous one. It's a two-edged sword."

After Ohio National Guard officers killed four unarmed Kent State student anti-Vietnam War demonstrators in 1970, "that was the end of the romance of running riot in the streets," Miller said.

Make it practical for youth

The do-it-yourself, locally organized, democratically run ethos of the Occupy movement appeals to the Millennial generation, who were born between 1982 and 2003.

"They do very much believe that the system has screwed them and left them with a ton of debt and no real way of making their way in the world," said Morley Winograd, co-author of "Millennial Momentum."

"The issue that's missing for some is more specific actions. More specific goals," Winograd said.

He pointed to cities including San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York that are considering measures to divest from banks they consider complicit in the home foreclosure crisis.

Winograd likened it to the way that cities, states and universities divested themselves of investments in South Africa in the 1980s to protest the country's apartheid policies. "Millennials are interested in changing the world, but they do that by taking action, not by talking."

Achievements

The Occupy Wall Street protests have been going only a few weeks, but analysts say they already boast many accomplishments that other budding social movements did not at the same stage.

-- Public support: 43 percent of Americans agree with the goals of Occupy Wall Street, while 37 percent don't, according to a New York Times/CBS poll last week. A higher percentage (46 percent to 37 percent) said Occupy "generally reflect(s) the views of most Americans."

-- They can tap into widespread frustration: Unlike the anti-Iraq war movement - where the pain was borne mostly by the families of the all-volunteer military - there are few blocks in America untouched by unemployment, falling housing values and heavy debt.

-- Young people, the lifeblood of any protest, are deeply affected: Student loan debt is expected to exceed $1 trillion this year, as the number of students who defaulted on their loans jumped from 6.7 percent in 2007 to 8.8 percent in 2009, according to a Federal Reserve report.

Occupy already has changed the national conversation. In the last week of July, when Congress and the White House were battling over the debt ceiling, the "word 'debt' was mentioned more than 7,000 times on MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, and 'unemployed' was only mentioned 75 times," according to a review by the liberal think tank Think Progress.

A review of the same sources Oct. 10-16 found " 'debt' only netted 398 mentions, while 'occupy' grabbed 1,278, Wall Street netted 2,378, and jobs got 2,738," according to Think Progress.

"The biggest change that has already occurred has been the change of consciousness," said Deborah Gould, an associate professor of sociology at UC Santa Cruz. "People now have a way of understanding something that was previously seen as a personal crisis," she said. "It's allowed people to recognize that their personal problems are not just personal problems, but are deeply political and therefore subject to redress."

- Joe Garofoli


Chronicle staff writer Kevin Fagan contributed to this report. E-mail Joe Garofoli at jgarofoli@sfchronicle.com.





AHOY,

Bare with me, I'm going to make the point that main stream media, & recognized organizations with political clout are in with the corrupt system.

notice S.F. gates staring salvo i.e. repeat of the "winter blues" propaganda. fallowed by,the "expert" of movements, McAdam with his negative tone and statements.

as well as moveon.org's, Ruben the Bank transfer idea is a good start especially if they support the "occupy movement" i.e. as in a counter to Goldman Sachs withdraw of funds (tax payers money) from the little neighborhood bank that aloud the "occupy movement" to open an account with the donations. Just make the suggestion when you open your account. "excuse me banker would you like/mind making a one dollar donation to the occupy wall-street account?"

James miller's idea of occupy other indoor places was a good start but then he uses the term Anarchist as if its the other alternative.

And if you think I'm wrong about him and the others, consider his choice of words starting here "The problem they face"... etc. (IMO its not a problem its a challenge to resist) "the original instigators"... (IMO why not describe them as organizers or founders?)enough I've made this point it goes on with Deborah.

IMO one of the challenges to the movement is the fast pace care less throw a way sociaty

IMO the movment needs to help its homeless sisters and brothers. I asked a local the otehr day about the homeless, the response was oh we've taking care of them" as if they had become a problem. I also noted John Carlos's statement (something to the effect of) he will believe everyone is in this together when he sees everyone digging into that soup.

I would add one should not be wasting a war chess.

IMO there should be an operation underway to prepare the atmosphere in Jails and prisons. A movement to call for peace among inmates as well as recently arrested protesters, who IMO may be purposely placed in harmful circumstances i.e. torched by the system. Let the law do its own dirty work.

IMO the movement should stay away from all organized religions. They stud by all this time and even are part of the problem. And are full of Republican spies.

Unions are no better than the "Muslim brother hood" in Egypt. They are in it for themselves.
And they are full of Democratic spies.

The main goal of the movement should be to do away with all political parties. And form an American government.

Monday would be a much better day for a strike, Wednesday gives businesses to much time to conduct essential work and prepare for Wednesdays strike. 

G-day! 
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