Newjarheaddean Rumor Board: Heres is that Strategy page link to my post

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AHOY,

UPDATE 12/21/13, 11:42 HOURS

I am revealing who I am today i.e. posting my name, I am Keith Oeffinger, I was born in San Antonio Texas in 1963. See today's post 12/21/13 .

Update, 01/11/14 12:30 hours;

I would like to say, with only one reply, like three years ago, this blog seems too much like a mirror site to me. And it appears very few patriots are looking back at past posts.

The new “Fragmented Fighting Facts” series of posts that dedicates one post to each Basic rule has now been completed. This series starts with the post tilted “Post # 1, Planning, Preface” that posted on 05/12/13. This series is under the label “Tri-F in progress”. Posts well be updated as I edit or discover additional knowledge thus the series is the most current version of my "Fragmented Fighting Facts" manual. For an old but complete version i.e. all in one post copy. Patriots are welcomed to try viewing one of the “pages” listed in the “special word section” on the starboard side of the blog. I say try due to the fact I’m not sure if they are published i.e. viewable to the general public due to all the issues or HACKING with my blog. There is also a complete copy posted, that is titled, “Tri-F in progress” too, it was posted 11/13/10.

And feel free to fire away with a reply, (sarcasm on).

FLASH REPORT; the “TERRORIST ARE NOT AMONG US, AND NEVER WERE I.E. AL QAEDA IS A STAWL MAN, GHOST”.

The most important lesson that everyone should have taken away from the Boston Marathon bombings was that those young men proved that no al-queda members are in the u.s. Otherwise they too would just go get some presure cookers and had to a parade.

“I AM NOT A TERRORIST” this nation’s worst enemy is FEAR. This fear is being promoted mostly by the back woods, right wing, Christians of this nation. We need to separate church and state, period. And that is of course for the States sake.

I would like patriots to understand that I use the terms "official revealed fact" to mean what everyone is being told by officials, media etc. I use the term "kings truth" to mean what I know or believe to actually be the actual facts. I DO NOT MEAN IT IN A RELIGIOUS WAY. I.E. the term Kings is plural as in those running the show.

Preface for the Fragmented Fighting Facts

Note pink highlighted material is that, that IMO is questionable factually, it maybe an “official revealed fact” that I am questioning. The material may need to be defined i.e. explained more or it could be a personal note. Yellow is location undecided or unedited material i.e. unread that I have not decided on what to keep or not. Green means a change has been made i.e. an update. By noting the green updated highlights a Patriot well not have to read the Fragmented Fighting Facts in its entirety to stay current. Red is important, perhaps the "kings truth".

Newjarheaddean; this is my collection of combat notes. One might call it my anthology of combat tactics, techniques, methods and skills. The note taking began about fourty years ago (I was around 13 years old) with the observation of 10 rules listed with in a book covering the French and Indian i.e. Native American, wars, entitled “Roger’s Rangers”. That’s right the rules that started all this are “Army Ranger” rules, this book was located in the “Westfall” library in San Antonio Texas off of Vance Jackson. I get a kick out of the libraries name due to the general agreement that modern or state vs state warfare started with the singing of the peace treaties at Westphalia. I could not read at the time; however I knew that a list in a book on war would be important. I copied those rules down like a scribe might have written hieroglyphs and had my dad read them to me. . This discovery preceded numerous sources including approximately one hundred books and about a dozen field manuals, of which a few were of WWII era. These were found at libraries, half price bookstores and garage sales. Since going on line in 2007, I have found material on web sites such as “Defense and National Interest” (DNI), “Global security”, “Strategy page” , “Wikipedia” and “Bayonet strength” and “Efour4ever” in the combat lessons learned section. These last two sites cover WWII.

Previously referred to as K.O.O.L.N. (acronym definition, top secret), FLASH REPORTS; I NOW AM TELLING EVERYONE IT STANDS FOR KEITH OEFFINGER'S ORGANIZATION OF LEARNED KNOWLEDGE the joke on me here was I believed Knowledge was spelled with an (N). I was a special education student and did not learn to read until my last year of high school. I have now titled my work “Fragmented Fighting Facts” or “Tri-F”; the name derives from the computer grammar function always alerting me to the fragmented nature of my sentences. This is due to the “just the facts, ma’am” manor the material is written i.e. there has been little if any effort to write in whole sentences or provide context. This is not to say there is no order with Tri-F, in fact there is a theme. I have laid out the information as one might expect a commander or members of a unit to recall it thus utilizing it to conduct a mission.

We start with “Planning”, followed by the section on “Defense”, then there’s “Preparations and conduct of patrols” or “PCP”, and we end with “Conduct of Engagements” or “COE”, i.e. engagements being the term used here for shootouts. Each section of Tri-F consists of numbered “Basic rules”, each basic rule followed by detailed notes that either relate to, explain, or give examples pertaining to the basic rules. As with the general format of Tri-F, each section’s basic rules are laid out as one might need to recall them. This is most obvious in the last section COE starting with basic rule number one, “Flash report”, i.e. actions to take upon contact with the enemy. This sections last basic rule deals with handling POWs.

Keep in mind this is a work in progress; I’m constantly discovering new information to add which in turn still at times requires rearranging things. At the same time, interestingly enough to me, I have not needed to rearrange my original order of the basic rules for quite some time. There are however, two instances where the detailed information fallowing a pair of basic rules became so similar I decided to combine the pair into one basic rule. These two occurrences are noted in footnotes.

Now heed this, out of all the information contained within this work, only an estimated 1% was taught to me while I was serving in the U.S.M.C. Moreover, to put a fine point on it, it’s worth noting I served in Charlie Company, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, First Marine Division, i.e. an Infantry unit. Before my discharge (after only a two year cruse), I attended Jungle Warfare School in the northern training area of Okinawa (for two weeks), Mountain Warfare School in Korea (for one week) and Combat Town Camp Pendleton for MOUT training (for one day). I did not take part in any amphibious training nor did I ever go to Twenty Nine Palms for Desert Warfare training. We did ride around in AAVs once at Camp Pendleton. All in all I would say the only things I missed out on were a beach landing (at Coronado I believe) and a little sun burn, due to the fact that those twenty nine palms, I was told in the early eighties were all located at the front gate of that base. Needless to say, the training did not impress me, and I now know it was not going to get any better as some suggested to me at the time, and still others later claimed that I should have just stayed in longer.

With my position on the lack of training, I do wish to make it perfectly clear that I do support the service women and men in the U.S. armed forces. I also believe them to be as brave as any people on earth, (with the exception of the (Y) generation). My concern is in the way the Infantry especially is being mislead and used. I want people to understand my experience and IMO a lot of evidence suggests Uncle Sam intends to use his infantry in ways that does not include training any generation in the art of “traditional Guerilla combat tactics” i.e. as a “Traditional Commando” would be. I am not talking about “SWAT” team “Close quarter” tactics, like the “Stick dynamic entry”. That tactic should be called the “cluster f**k”. Just call that sort of tactic what it is NYPD (Cops T.V. show bad-boys, bad-boys) in Afghanistan.

The problem is that that tactic was developed by police departments to deal with an objective occupied by drugged up party animals, i.e. untrained civilians. The police never use it in a spur of the minute situation. They use it when the house/objective has been under constant surveillance for mouths in some cases and the police know all manner of information about everyone in the house and the structure and neighborhood in general. The cops choose a time when everyone is pasted out from partying the night before and have long lost any weapons (between the cushions or under the bed) they might have had on them as show pieces during the party. The primary reason for the large numbers of police in close proximity is to make sure the gang does not think the raid is a rival gang “brake in” and thus resist in any way. There is lots of yelling too, thus reinforcing the message that no one is trying to be covert, like one would be to get away with a crime.

This brings up an intriguing observation of mine; that being that by the book an assault should be made from the top down, yet the troops in Afghanistan and elsewhere use the Stick dynamic entry and usually enter from the front door, like a SWAT team. However resent high profile raids show the SWAT teams attacking from the top down. Examples you may recall are the raids on the Shinning path group in Peru in 2000 and the Mumbai raid by Indian forces on the Jewish center in 2008. IMO this proves the existence of what I’ll refer to as a “need to know” training policy, being followed by various governments, the purpose being to limit the number of true Commandos that could become tomorrow’s rebels, apposing corrupt governments. One last thing about the Stick, IMO every single time the regular forces unit conducting one of these foolish Stick dynamic entries comes under fire i.e. runs into resistance, the Stick brakes i.e. the whole unit evacuates and awaits some kind of support form tanks, guns, tubes or air. Bottom line IMO the Stick is used as a probing tactic and is meant to be a moral boosting show peace tactic to make the unit feel as if it has taken a hill, which was nothing more than another empty building, that IMO Intel suggested, was the case before the entry was ordered. Recalling the police policy of long periods of surveillance prior to raids.

It also seems to me that in light of the old saying “you can fight a war with bombs and blockades but only boots on the ground can win it” ( IMO, Uncle Sam has now revised that saying, as fallows) “you can win a war with bombs and blockades, but only the infantry can end the war”, farther more IMO Uncle Sam has gone one more step and decided to use private security companies and local i.e. indigenous people for the infantry role. All this fear of true commandos is all very similar to the “Mujahideen” not being allowed by various governments, to return to their homelands i.e. native nations, after fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.

And as for the U.S. and other Western nations, training foreigners to fight a counter insurgency goes. IMO this training includes nothing more than police procedures i.e. conducting investigations, forensics, searching individuals and buildings to collect evidence and yes serving warrants, if necessary, with those all mighty “stick” tactics. And of course, lots of “new innovative techniques and tactics” involving CAS and IMO (Old) so called high tech equipment the U.S. Military Industrial Congressional Complex wants to clear out of the warehouses.

All in all IMO Uncle Sam has chosen to put just about all his eggs in one advanced technology system, think Star Wars Storm Troopers or Matrix i.e. the Operator or Morpheus trying to guide Neo and others to safety. IMO it looks something like this; (x) unit go to (x) address, kick in front door, use stairs to your right, go south down hallway to (x) door, it is unlocked, interning room go to (x) window looking out window to the north you will see your target running east though the neighbors garden. All this information and the “live” feeds of target and area of operations would be provided by a fleet of satellites as well as Near space assets that are never mentioned by the media as current military assets and of course there’s the robots, UAVs and a flood of other covertly deployed sensors as well as covert eves dropping of any civilian electronic devices in the Area of operations.

Thus in light of these and similar so called “new innovative, techniques and tactics” (notice the media and governments choice of words “techniques and tactics” as if we’re talking Commando training i.e. why not use some modern high tech terms the system is so eager to introduce us all to normally as a matter of routine), IMO Uncle Sam has placed the traditional Guerrilla combat tactics, on the back burner and is hoping they all go the way of other black arts.

This is not just true of the infantry; let us take a peek at aerial combat. Does anyone out there actually think today’s U.S. pilots are turning and burning, pulling high (G) maneuvers trying to hit the entry windows and get inside the bandits turn. Think any pilot has conducted a yo-yo or split S maneuver lately or made the choice between a single or two-circle fight. Now days its all about stealth, ECM and Smart even autonomous weapons, missiles especially BVR tech. IMO this explains why the U.S. Navy is not concerned with not having a front line fighter equal to the USAF F-22 Raptor. An article I recently read on “Strategy page” mentioned a lot of talk about a Navy F/A-18E at an air show, displaying a little F-22 silhouette decal i.e. a simulated Kill credit symbol/icon. IMO the F/A- 18E did not gun down that kill.

And then everyone knows that just about all now and IMO soon all weapons systems including the bayonet well have a chip in it.

So if the electronics ever fail (maybe due to a shift in the axis of earths electromagnetic field, passed a certain point or perhaps a record size solar flare) IMO it well be the masters of the age-old Guerrilla combat tactics i.e. The Fragmented Fighting Facts Basic Rules that survive, keeping in mind “no one wins”.

I also wish, that those who join the various services where told all this up front i.e. “we do not intend to train you as a traditional Commando”.

Another thing I would like everyone to consider is that; what makes a Marine special is not the training she or he receives, no it’s the steel the youth demonstrates when they choose to join the Marines. Even when compared to the Special Forces, who IMO are only specialists in their particular field, once again mostly high tech specialties and whose ranks are filled with older personnel that have already been serving and have graduated from a boot camp i.e. are aware of the hoop and hype hurry up and wait tactics. And who are then usually chosen i.e. coached into changing their MOS. I am aware of the change in recruitment policy after 2001 allowing for direct entry into the S.F. community. IMO a rarity and IMO it is still not the same as just choosing to go to a Marine Corps Recruit Depot from the start.

Furthermore, to those who just well not accept the truth about the lack of training along the lines of traditional Guerrilla combat tactics. I can now say that I have exchanged comments with a number of Iraqi and Afghanistan combat vets. These comments can be found on the internet if you Google up my call sign, Newjarheaddean also spelled with one (D). IMO it is obvious that the tactics I speak of are news to the vets, some have made commits that proves in combat they were just winging it. And no, I don’t believe that all the vets are observing some kind of code of silence on these tactics including the vets who are against the wars. Unless everyone wants to say that YouTube and other internet companies are conspiring to edit all combat footage that shows these tactics being used and that, the vets are staging other videos that show them (albeit with great bravery) as armatures without a clue and winging it. If anyone ever sees video, showing the tactics listed in Tri-F being used, be sure and provide a link with your comment. I once saw a flash of film on CNN showing combat in Lebanon during the 1980s that showed some of these tactics being used by a Guerrilla fighter. I well also say I do believe that UAV footage is edited by the Pentagon to keep the public from seeing the few but well trained Taliban and other Guerrilla fighters that are using these tactics. Alternatively, maybe people think our professional highly trained well-equipped military is unable to defeat 10 – 20 thousand religious extremist amateur thugs in almost a decade of fighting. All the while killing at least by some estimates 100 a mouth including dozens of top commanders.

Let me also say, on the numbers of U.S. PTSD casualties, i.e. IMO, WIA, (And IMO deserving of a Purple Heart). The Government portrays these cases as a result of fighting a war that is “unlike any other war we have fought before” (LOL). Facing an enemy that is fighting in some mysterious and or cowardly manor that simply cannot be countered by military means. I believe the high numbers are a result of US forces fighting in a manner that is suicidal i.e. pointless and counterproductive to the real world situation. Example; you have a young brave American ready to fight for the nation, while on one of these IMO “Russian roulette parades” someone shoots at the unit from some building, everyone scrambles for cover, as some spray and pray, then after determining the location using SWATS (Soldier Worn Acoustic Targeting Systems) sniper detectors, or one of the many similar vehicle mounted systems the commander calls in some sort of CAS, if someone’s brains have been blow out especially if it was an officer or the location is vague, a real “crowd pleaser” maybe used i.e. 2000 pounder.

IMO this is how 90% of engagements (fought by regular infantry units) are resolved. Special Forces are now and in the feature more and more regular infantry well be using the Matrix. And to those that think this is the exception I say show me the number of WIA or KIA (On either side) by small arms fire i.e. during traditional firefights. Even if one includes sniper fire those figures are really low. So IMO after witnessing all the carnage and innocent civilian life being lost and receiving all those looks from the witnesses, it is the American that realizes it is his unit that is not fighting right.

This is reinforced and really sinks in back in the states when the vet is asked to tell the Commando stories that never occurred and thus the vet must tell the truth i.e. give up the Commando reputation, keep it all inside or start lying. If the first option is chosen that unveiling reality is demoralizing and makes it all not worth it. If either one of the other chooses are made IMO the vet becomes the ticking bomb. And I can tell you all that many times, I have recalled being told once that “when you go home keep your mouth shut about the things we did. If you don’t you well be thought of as a liar or crazy and either which way your life well be over”. That First Sergeant was right, but like my daddy use to say, “He’s right but he does not know why he’s right” i.e. IMO the First Sgt. thought of what we did in terms of remarkable heroic feats. However, IMO certainly since the beginning of the Vietnam era, it is the lack of training i.e. the manner in which our service women and men are fighting that keeps this tragedy going.

I would also suggest the vets of today are just like I was 25 or so years ago in the sense that they know there training is lacking, however, they just cannot explain what’s missing. However unlike me they refuse to accept that old fashion “black arts” are the answer i.e. should be the basis of basic training. And I now know the “Black art” tactics they and I should have been trained in and I can now say, “The PFC that told the Corp it was out of step, now has provided the proof”. What surprises me is that most vets it seems don’t care at all about the tactics I speak of and seem to view me as an unpatriotic “party pooper”, when I’m just a U.S. Marine trying to improve the Corps and save lives. Bottom line IMO the infantry needs to consist of unmarried i.e. undistracted, NO CHILDREN, dedicated true professionals, trained in the tactics listed in Tri-F and many more I am sure exist.

And to those that say “chivalry is for the museums” I say “first we must have peace on earth”.

One Newjarheaddean

“Let no Marines ghost say if my training had only done its job”

" Give me a million dollars and I well change the world"

" When it comes to persecution and suffering that fairly tale about christ dose not have (S) nothing on me"

" I well bet my lucky start"

“IKYG”

G-day!

Update; 12/19/14 09/53 hours

Thursday, February 21, 2013

Heres is that Strategy page link to my post

AHOY,

Update; 04/07/13 23:05 I'm going to try and provide a link here to one of my post here on my blog. It is an Airforce Magazine article from 2005 about "near space" assets. It only has been viewed three times according to my stats. It is imo a very good article. I've noticed the first image is difficult to see, I'm going to try and repost it here. It also helps to open images in another tab if you can and thus be able to magnify them.

http://newjarheaddean.blogspot.com/2011/09/near-space.html?zx=6e68a9bb0ffa004b

Update; 04/03/13 16:46 hours, I have added below an article from "Time" magazine about drones.

Update; 04/01/13 17:43 hours. Just a paragraph from my "Fragmented Fighting Facts".

"Hiding in plain site" i.e. imo, even those making the payments would not understand the real purpose of the payments. The payments are going directly to the Taliban. The U.S. is "playing conventional war".

The paragraph from Tri-F;

Reported by weekly standard 1/30/09 concerning victims of US UAV missile strikes in FATA. U.S. Army issued payments to families of those killed, including the Taliban commander. The Associated Press reports: On the back of an Afghan army truck, U.S. officials paid $40,000 in Afghan currency to representatives of 15 people killed - $2,500 for each death plus $500 for two wounded and $1,500 for repairs. Lt. Col. Steven Weir, a military lawyer who oversaw the payments, said payments were not an admission that innocents were killed, "It's a condolence payment,". "The villagers said none of the KIA were Taliban. So by this payment they will understand it's not our goal to kill innocent people. This may help them understand we're here to build a safer and more secure Afghanistan." When asked if the U.S. was paying money to relatives of people that the U.S. had wanted to kill or capture, Weir said: "If we did accidentally shoot someone, we want to make that right, and if we have to pay money to someone who didn't deserve it ... it's kind of like it's better to let nine guilty people go free than to jail one innocent person."

But didn't the Taliban commander "deserve it"? It's just this kind of fuzzy logic that gets U.S. troops killed. The money given to the Taliban commander's family will be funneled back into the Taliban coffers--in fact, the odds are good the Taliban will move back into the town and collect all of the money disbursed.

Note;
And look at the absolutely contradiction in logic here with the statement, "it's kind of like it's better to let nine guilty people go free than to jail one innocent person.". And compare that to the Killing of the innocent on the ground in the first place at a 3 or so to one ratio at least. LOL.

end of 04/01/13 17: 43 update.

Update; 03/27/13 12:12 hours. What to hell is going on here I do not know. However I received a couple of emails about comments being made on this article in question i.e. mentioned below. And I found all the comments including my comments posted again. So I have copied them and now well post them here. I also discovered I could edit these post in my file that I had pasted then into, those changes are highlighted in green you well see what I mean below where I have posted my post from the Strategy-page site. I have also been reading up on all this Drone tech and well be making a few more points here. Everyone who knew me in high-school knows I was talking about what I refereed to as "remote control aircraft way back then. I used to think in terms of individuals using them. I figured the way you would be found was by the antina. I reasoned you should run a cable to the antina and barre it so the authorities would not be able to fix your direction without digging. I also reasoned you should have a camera watching the site to let you know they had found your antina. I reasoned you could have more than one. I reason (with out the knowledge at the time of how it would work that you could have a antina on a blimp. etc. etc. "Caveman" tactics to be sure however I did all this thinking back in the late 70s. Drones being the "Brain child" of some former isreali airforce engineer my ass.

end of 03/27/13 12:12 hours update.

Update; 12:18 hours, 03/01/13. this information in this update as you well see no long is the case. The article on strategy page, is now back, with all replies. I'm leaving this update though as a reminder to my issues with the various sites I post on.
T.G.I.F. LOL, LOL, LOL.

Okay the link below leads to an error page on the site now i.e. the pages with my and other members replies is no long available for viewing You can see that there were three pages of comments however only the first one shows now. My SWAG i.e. guess is that someone posted curse words or maybe the webmaster did not like me posting as many times as I did without any other members replying. Or it could have been the fact that I leaked the article on the Strategy page site with my blog. Or maybe the webmaster did not like the site being involved in proving one of my "coincidence chains". And like I had noted below, the article did not appear on the home page at all after I started posting on that article. So only god knows, lol. It was tilted "why all the fuse about uavs" in the Murphy's law category.
end of 03/01/13 update;

This link is to the article on Strategy page, the one I titled "I must be him". Notice how after all the replies between other members they all just stopped posting and the article itself is not shown on the home page anymore.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/20130213/page2.aspx#startofcomments

i did not post this in todays post titled "most viewed "all still crazy after all these years part II" post so it would not be delayed in showing up in anyone's search results.

So check the times of my post, the advertisement on CNN for the "fear, faith and fire" show and the braking news. And then claim I am making to much of it all. LOL And go a head and make up your own coincidence chains and lets compare.

I also received an email this morning from a British based web site that I am a member of, it was about "drone metals" soon to be awarded. At the time of noticing my emails, I did not think of it as being to important, i.e. I did not have any moment of grandeur, I thought of it as just one of those "too many daily coincidences to bother keeping track of.

And yes the "old worlds" family home still stands, near where we well be moving. As we drove by the other day the "old world" pointed out where he and his sister use to go through the fence to play by the water.

Comments posted; i.e. my replies;

newjarheaddean Unexceptable 2/19/2013 11:25:12 AM

AHOY,

So is Karzai an enemy now, for putting a decree in place to not allow UAV attacks in afghan urban areas? Will we kill him, in his home surrounded by his family?

Is Desmond Tutu wrong when he suggest that the U.S. supreme court should not place itself in the position of saying u.s. citizens lives are worth more than other peoples lives on earth?

I'm going with Mark Twain, paraphrasing; Patriotism is supporting you nation all the time and the government when it deserves it.

The U.S. drone pilots are killing kids and thus producing more enemies than they kill with these drone strikes. And unlike Al-quiiiiiedah, they (the pilots) are among us.

G-day!

newjarheaddean One point at a time 2/19/2013 9:51:47 PM

AHOY,

From the article;

After all, a UAV is not a robot, it is under control of human operators, who identify the targets and pull the trigger.

NJD; How are they identified? Why don't we see any of the 120 magnification "mug shots" this would help to show the accuracy.

From the article;

Both UAV operators and pilots can see TV quality images of who is on the ground and whether they are civilians or not and who is armed.

NJD; so who decided that someone carrying a firearm with them in a foreign nation full of gun owners, is a legitimate target?

From article;

The UAVs make it much less likely that civilians will be hit.

NJD; yet we still have at least 10 times the civilians being killed than the targets. (this I now know is incorrect)

From the article;

What it really comes down to is a philosophical attitude towards dealing with terrorism.

NJD; as if terrorism is knew to warfare, like they are ghost or demons, like we can only kill them from miles away. And why is there no concern about interrogating them for information?

like old Binladen, (the mastermind leader or one of them) (not to mention KSM) standing in the corner of his bedroom in his pajamas, next to his wife. And this seal with total body arm and back up had to shoot him.

(and now we have three different version to choose from i.e. three different seal stories and books articles etc. and counting, those seals are such professionals,lol)

G-day!

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newjarheaddean one point at a time II 2/19/2013 10:19:24 PM

AHOY,

From the article;

But this is mostly about ROE (Rules Of Engagement) and demands for fewer civilian casualties, even if it means the troops are put in more danger. Sometimes this approach actually puts civilians in more danger. For example, in the last few years American troops have increasingly encountered angry Afghan civilians who demand that the Americans act more decisively in pursuing and killing Taliban gunman, even if it puts Afghan civilians at risk.

NJD; the troops I thought signed up for danger, that's how they should earn the metals. Civilians in more danger? (from boots on the ground) I don't think so, if I had my choice as an afghan civilian, I would rather dodge bullets than 500 or more pound munitions, with no warning. And we could limit the troops magazine capacity too lol.

IMO the Afghans are saying the same thing here, and everyone understands a shoot out, but not homes exploding. IMO the Afghans would respect the troops on the ground for risking their lives at the same time. And this would be seen as a noble fight i.e. best man wins.

And imo the only so called change in ROE has been on pager.

From the Article;

What to do?

NJD; show everyone the UAV videos, like the point I've made before, this would be like a scene out of the movie, "cobra" i.e. you’re the disease and I'm the cure.

From the article;

Taliban propaganda, and the enthusiasm of the media for jumping on real, or imagined, civilian deaths caused by foreign troops, made people forget that far more civilians (about four times as many) had been killed by the Taliban. But because Afghans have been conditioned to expect more civilized behavior from the foreign troops, much less media attention is paid to the civilians killed by the Taliban and al Qaeda.

NJD; so you really think the grape vine of such tightly net communities is unable to sort out the facts. Are there only taliban an non taliban (i.e. U.S.) killings in these areas, no other crime or gangs waging war with each other. Do you U.S. media and sites like this not have any figures on those killings. (i.e. everyday crime) Do they watch CNN or Fox news in Afghan villages? (my point dose any amount of so called liberal media mater)

G-day!

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newjarheaddean one point at a time III 2/19/2013 11:32:51 PM

AHOY,

From the article;

Under the new ROE you had to, in effect, do a casualty analysis and consult a lawyer before a deliberate missile or smart bomb attack is made on the Taliban. To their credit, the U.S. Air Force targeting specialists (who do most of this) can carry out the analysis quickly (often within minutes). Even the lawyers have gotten quick at the decision making game. The bad news is that attacks are often called off just because there's some small risk of harming civilians.

NJD; what is a small risk, 3 to one 1 to one? Why is all this data not made public? Why just claim the all out efforts you are going to. Dose the analysis include a census and daily schedule of locals? Do we know the names and address of all taliban members?

From the article;

The Taliban are aware of the ROE and take advantage of it. The Taliban try to live among civilians as much as possible. But the Taliban and al Qaeda do have to move around, and the ability of NATO and U.S. ground forces, aircraft, and UAVs to keep eyes on a Taliban leader for weeks at a time has led to the deaths of many smug guys who thought they had beat the system.

NJD; what the taliban knew the ROE before it was known by U.S. citizens? (my point here is in time to master their tactics before the general U.S. public heard about all this)Where are these rules posted? Do taliban members understand all the lawyer terms etc. Do they the top leaders believe the U.S. well follow these rules? In weeks of surveillance these taliban leaders never go out by themselves to take a dump. IMO there are no more taliban in the hills or country side they are always on busy streets or in built up areas surrounded by civilians. So no chance for zero risk to civilians.

from article;

Most of the Afghan civilian casualties occur when airpower is called in to help NATO and U.S. troops under attack. In these conditions the ROE is much more flexible but now Taliban use of civilians as human shields can sometimes be allowed to get friendly troops killed. The tactics used by foreign troops will change to adapt to this and there may be tense situations where Afghan troops are getting hammered, calling for a smart bomb, and told that they can't have it because of the risk of civilian casualties. Another risk is the possibility of the Taliban dragging some women and kids along with them when they move, simply to exploit the ROE and avoid getting hit with a smart bomb.

NJD; What U.S. commander well admit to not calling in any and everything he can to save a U.S. troops life? Give me or please show me one example with time date, names and location. And I want to see the letter to the parents of the U.S. KIA too, explaining this sacrifice, lol.

How can any large units of Afghan or U.S. troops be getting hammered by a small group of taliban? And how would a large group of taliban, escape from the UAVs sensors without being tracked. Not to mention all the "near space" assets imo there are in use. Or (how would the Taliban) even get into position to attack in the first place. What, (the) UAV boys asleep at the wheel.

Taliban dragging women and kids, Yeah right, and their own wifes and children would put up with this too, lol And would then travel by themselves to meet with the husbands.

(I would like to just play this out if you well, my point some Taliban, tells his wife. Honney I’ll be right back, I’m going next door to kidnap the neabors kids. I’m then going to parade them down the street to my friends home, where we are going to talk in the bed room while those kids play with his in the living room. Then we can have lunch when I get back. While I’m gone don’t answer the door it might be the neabor looking for his kids. LOL).

Update; 03/30/13 00:08 hours; And I can here people now saying "Newjarheaddean" the Taliban types are using their own family members as human shields. And to that I say, now we are talking. You see if that is the case and we just take the figure of 20 to 30 thousand "hard core" members (although imo any one welling to give their lives, is a "hard core" member, even if that is grandma) and then admit each one of these people has at least ten family members, we are now talking about 300,000 people mixed in with the general population. Thus a sub society if you well. Thus imo, to suggest that the U.S. can defeat that many people with so called smart munitions released from robots at 20 thousand feet, that do cause some collateral damage and thus create feature enemies that imo most certainly out number the main targets. You are a fool.

G-day!

newjarheaddean I most be him 2/21/2013 9:10:38 AM

AHOY,

Don't no one brake in here, (I typed this due to the fact no one had commented about my comments or theirs in a day or so) and yet the web master dose not dueo away with me.

So I here the drone metals are coming. (I typed this due to an email I received this same morning in question, from ARRES titled “drone metal announced”) We all knew that would happen.

I still do not believe it is right to kill your enemy with a weapon from so far away. And with out them having a chance to kill you. However...

I looked up some figures on the civilians KIA, during these drone attacks and I was shocked to see that just about everyone’s figures showed much less/fewer civilian KIA than I believed was the case.

I'm sure you all can find your own way to wekileaks lol wekipedia and find the same info I did.

So one of the main problems here may be communications between people. I am very impressed with the ability of so many members here to recall all the "official revealed facts". Yet so many people and members seem to only "card stack" i.e. (post,) info in their favor and ignore those (members) who question (those “official rerevealed facts). My posts here being case in point. IMO individuals are no different than the media with their agendas, I just wish I could find a sponsor, lol

G-day!

newjarheaddean Go ahead and laugh at me 2/21/2013 1:22:55 PM

AHOY,

Just don't go and read todays post on my blog. Its not about drones. LOL

And like I posted today on my blog I failed to put the lol after my title here on my post i'm replying about.

I do thank the web master if this is all viewable by members and web surfers. And I well reframe from commenting to much at all in the future.

G-day!

04/03/13 Note; there is no mention in this article of the News i.e. various media agencies using drones in the future. We don't want to give the criminals to much of the "delayed" lol so called, "live feed" to watch I mean to be distracted by, as the situation is "developed" I mean develops, LOL.